Friday, 30 July 2010

Sotiris Kyrgiakos booed by racist Skopjans

I managed to find a stream to watch the Europa League 3rd qualifying round first leg tie between Liverpool and Rabotnicki – some rubbish pseudo-Macedonian team – and noticed the extremely raucous heckling and jeering Liverpool’s Greek international centre back, Sotiris Kyrgiakos, was subjected to by the pseudo-Macedonian home crowd every time he touched the ball or was involved in play. The video clip above gives a taste of the dog’s abuse Kyrgiakos suffered throughout the match. In this instance, he is jeered after one of the pseudo-Macedonian players whacks him in the face at a corner kick and Sotiris has to go off for treatment.
Clearly, the Fyromians do not like Greeks, which I don’t understand, since what have we ever done to them, apart from civilise them? Ingrates. Anyway, it did strike me, given UEFA’s tedious anti-racism campaign, that if this sort of jeering had been aimed at a black player, there would be outrage and the Fyromian team would be fined, banned and all the rest. Never mind. Kyrgiakos didn’t let it affect his game – which was probably one of the easiest he’s ever played, given the standard of the opposition – and Liverpool comfortably won 2-0, making their qualification for the Europa League group stages a virtual formality.
UPDATE: And I’ve just noticed that the match was played at the so-called Phillip II Arena, in Skopje. Phillip II!? Can you believe these idiots? Like always, I don’t know whether to laugh at the Freedonians or get wound up by them.


Anonymous said...

It seems the Fyromians are beyond being civilised. If no action is taken they might even get worse and the 'beautiful' game will become very ugly.

John Akritas said...

I agree, Anon. The pseudo-Macedonians should be banned and they should also be made to change the name of the stadium, find some famous Bulgarian to name it after. Can't think of any famous Bulgarians off the top of my head, but there must be one or two.

lastgreek said...

Some suggestions:

1. Simeon Stadium

2. Samuel Stadium

Anonymous said...

UEFA goes on and on about stopping racism yet they don't have any problems of 'people' using Greece's Macedonian name purely out of hate and spite for Greeks guilty of being real Macedonians.

They truly are barbaric. But what do people expect from these so called 'people' who were guilty of abducting children during the Communist wars as well as doing Hitler's dirty work in the Balkans during WW2.

lastgreek said...

[Off topic ... or maybe not :)]

Day one: Athens

We arrived early this morning ... too tired to take in any of the main sites. Our hotel is situated 5-mins walking distance from the Akropolis. Some observations: heavy police presence in the Monastiraki and Plaka sections; can't help but notice the illegals, especially from Asia; lots of wonderful boutiques (so my wife says, anyway); great food (so we both say!)

In my opinion, the max. stay in Athens is two nights. Can't wait to leave for Sifnos Wednesday morning!

[On topic]

If the name suggestions "Simeon" or "Samuel" don't cut it for the Freedonians, then may I make one more, and final, suggestion: "Mounopano Stadium" (Sorry ... couldn't help the language ... I am in Greece now)

Fgiap said...

John Akritas, "Greek" TV plays only whatever the government wants and in the way that suits the government. As you live out of Greece, you may not have understand that Greece is already in ruins: the "liberalisation" of DEH is actually another sold of Greek fortune, fortune that belongs only to the Greek people and Greek people didn't decide to sold DEH or OTE that is already sold to the Germans.
You don't have understand that entire Greece is in a proccess of being sold by the government: already, the government plans to sell 12 islands and I don't know if Akropolis or Macedonia is next...

John Akritas said...

You're right, Fgiap, I do live outside of Greece, so it's true I don't necessarily understand what's going on there. Having said that, as the old system unravels I am amazed that this was how Greece operated until now – for example, the system by which lorry drivers obtained licences and so on was bizarre and a fraud. Clearly, it couldn't carry on.

And when you say that the government is selling off the people's assets, I wonder if this isn't the old thinking that Greece has to do away with. In what respect do DEH and OTE belong to and serve the Greek people? The Greek state is not the Greek people. Of course, with both DEH and OTE there are national security issues, but generally it seems to me that a lot of these state-operated companies have wasted your money and provided you with a terrible service at the same time. Maybe the answer isn't to sell them off to the Germans, but the old way of operating them has failed and is dead.

Hermes said...

What a ridiculous comment, Fgiap. In reality, DEH is not the asset of the Greek people but the asset of a few DEH executives and workers who use it to make themselves wealthy and secure at the expense of Greek consumers. Of course, these industries should not be in foreign hands but there is insufficient Greek capital or it does not want to go near an asset that has been so poorly operated.

Good luck to APOEL tonight. Too bad for PAOK.

John Akritas said...

H. I've been struck watching the union bosses on TV defending the system what a bunch of fascists they are – perhaps mafia is a better description. One of them on Mega from GENOP DEH – the one who said there would be blood if the government tried to reform the power sector – started off his tirade by stating 'we live in a class society', blah, blah, blah and they were engaged in a class struggle, blah, blah, blah. I guess the success or not of Papandreou's efforts will be decided if people like this are no longer in positions of responsibility. And I've a residual sympathy for the left, unions and notions of class struggle.

John Akritas said...

I should add that I have residual sympathy for notions of class struggle in as much as conflicts between rich and poor help explain certain moments in history and things in society.

Hermes said...

As you say, the class struggle helps explain certain moments in history and society but not all. This is where the Dialectical Materialists get it wrong. As Weber pointed out, and many others before and since, that other factors also help explain history. We should also be careful not to read the class struggle back into history. For example, some Marxists read the class struggle back into ancient Athens. This is plainly wrong because the conditions of the Industrial Revolution were not in existence then. Classical Marxism is a reductionist system which only tells some of the story.

John Akritas said...

There are a couple of classic Marxist texts on ancient Greek society by Geoffrey de Ste. Croix – The Origins of the Peloponnesian War and The Class Struggle in the Ancient Greek World – which I've been aware of for a long time, but never been able to get hold of. I know Marxists have a fondness for Aristotle – who they regard as the father of political-economy – political-economy being what Marxism boils down to – and a distaste for the reactionary Plato.

lastgreek said...

If you were to close your eyes here in Greece and only listened to Greeks, you'd never know in a million years that there was a serious, economic crisis here. I don't know whether it's because they don't care, or because they're economically challenged. I think it's a little of both. You know what's even more funny? The dummies are actually proud that they're part of the Euro currency--something about being part of "a strong currency."! Can you believe that shit? Talk about freeloaders! Moreover--and this one is a hilarious--you even hear Greeks boast that they pay cash ("metrita") for real estate--"unlike North Americans." LOL Jeez, where is a Jew when you need one to teach these morons here in Greece about leverage?!

I have been here almost one week in Greece. Hitherto, I will say this much. Athens is a shithole. I mean that as a compliment. Really. I mean ... if this place were any dirtier, dustier, or shittier, the city's health authority (if ever there was one) would have shut the place down. But hey! Tell this to an Athenian--an oxymoron, if you ask me, to call the modern inhabitants "Athenians" because no ancient Athenian worthy of such an illustrious name would have been caught dead in such a cesspool of a city--and he will point to a hole in the wall and tell you that the rent there goes for 5000 Euros a month ... and he would be correct--5000 Euros! What does this tell me? They're either mad, or that these modern Athenians don't mind the inconvenience of living in their own filth. Yet, strangely enough, even in all the surrounding filth, one is still able to find extraordinary boutiques and great eateries. Now I ask you, is that uncanny or what?!

PS: Sifnos ... what a beautiful island! The beach at Kamares could not have been more lovelier. Now, if only the obnoxious and rude natives can somehow be removed and transplanted somewhere else (to Antartica for all I care) the island would be perfect. I mean that.

PPS: I owe Hermes an apology. He was right all along--unless those idiots in Greece feel some real pain, as in some kickass austerity measures, they will never learn. Let the suffering begin!

John Akritas said...

Jesus, LG; that bad, eh? And Athens is at its best in August – when all the Athenians have left the city. Apart from the Akropolis and a few other bits and pieces, I've always thought Athens needs to be razed to the ground and the whole thing started all over again. The colonels and their polykatikies have a lot to answer for. There's no getting away from it, Athens is a monstrosity, and it's really only tolerable at night. I hope the open-air cinemas are still around.

I have to admit I got on well with the Sifniotes, and thought them a lot more pleasant that their neighbours from Paros, Naxos and Folegandros who I've always found a nasty lot – though the locals from Amorgos, Serifos and Syros were likeable. Perhaps the contagion of rudeness and obnoxiousness is spreading.

Like I said before: Greek reality… who needs it? The Greece of our imaginations is a much better option.

Hermes said...

LG, it sounds like you have fallen for Western inspired racism. You think ancient Athens or Byzantine Constantinople was not dirty and grimy? They both were. Do not fall into the trap of disconnecting our ancestors from us. It only works to confirm our so called friend's suspicions.

lastgreek said...


Let me give you one example. We visited the New Akropolis Museum last week. Now, before you enter the premises, it explicitly states, among other regulations, that photos are not allowed (for obvious reasons). Let me tell you, H, that the only people who disregarded this important regulation were the Greeks! I couldn't believe it--the "ancestors" of the glorious people who created the super-human achievement known as the Parthenon didn't care at all. As for security (if we can call it that--kids in uniform, really) in the museum, well ... they were either too busy gossiping away in a corner somewhere, or they were too shy to act. Don't you think, H, that the ancestors of these super huamn works should behave with a little bit more respect than the barbarians (by "barbarians" here, I mean the tall, blond, blue-eyed Germans and Scandinavians)? I mean ... why don't the modern Greeks give a shit? And you know what? The travel writer and novelist Paul Theroux asked himself the same question in his travel novel The Pillars of Hercules: A Grand Tour of the Meditteranean. His conclusion was, and I am paraphrasing here, Why should they care--why should a people who are besically the descedants of Slavo-Albanian fishermen care?" A pretty harsh conclusion, eh, H? Nasty if you ask me. Yet, sadly, the longer I stay here, the more I tend to agree with his hypothesis. Notwithstanding the Maniates of the southeastern Peloponnese, the Sphakianotes of Crete, and the descendants of the Asia Minor refugees, I think that Theroux is spot on. If the Eiffel Tower were to collapse tomorrow, I wouldn't care one bit. Why should I? I am not French!


That bad.

If the city of Athens were to suffer the same fate as the city of Dresden did in the Second World War, it would be a blessing. Nothing short of a thorough and complete bombing will do. You know, even the graffiti here is f-cked up today. Instead of the politically inspired graffiti of years ago, today in Athens we have hideous, ineligible scrawls ... more like a cheap imitation of modern American grafitti. And hardly a wall is spared!

As for Sifnos, J ... I am sorry to say that the rot has spread. At a souvlaki joint the other day, I saw an English-speaking tourist belittled by the waiter simply for asking a question about his food order. The waiter (who was dressed as if he were on his way to milk the goats!) completely ignored the man and his family. Inexcusably rude and uncalled for, English man or not. Unfortunately, such scenes were typical which probably explained the lack of foreign tourists. One French tourist on the island used the term "cortege de fou." LOL Anyway, as my wife of German ancestry opined, when the Greeks start forfeiting islands to the Germas (as payment in kind for unpaid debts), at the very least the Germans will bring order to this chaos. Yikes!

Hermes said...

LG, the reason why Greek musuems disallow photographs is not because of archeological conservation. It is because they want to make money, mostly from foreigners, who buy the books that are sold in the gift shop. Obviously, they turn a blind eye to Greeks. I think this is a sensible policy.

Please remember that our ancient ancestors participated in similar money making schemes; particularly, when silly wealthy Roman tourists came as tourists. Americans are much like those Roman tourists. However, let's hope there will be a Second Sophistic.

Hermes said...

John, by the way Panagiotis Kondylis wrote a book on Marx and Ancient Greece also.