Saturday, 15 May 2010

Erdogan comes to town, has a good laugh



Regarding Sultan Erdo’s visit to Athens, I hope no Greeks were fooled by his brazen attempts to convince them to submit to Turkey and join the Neo-Ottoman project. As Erdogan reeled off the usual nonsense about Cyprus and the Aegean – telling Greece at one point that Greek Air Force fighters that chase off Turkish intruders should do so unarmed, as if it were any of Turkey’s business how the Greek Air Force behaves over Greek territory; and at another point laughing at Greece’s entirely rational fear that Turkey’s long-term aim is to seize Greek islands and partition the Aegean – it would be easy to accuse the Turks of shameless hypocrisy and duplicity. Except the Turks aren’t sophisticated or subtle enough to be duplicitous. Turks mean what they say and in fact cannot countenance any notion that their discourse – whether on Cyprus, Halki, the Aegean or Thrace – is wrong or imperfect. Turks see no contradiction between wanting ‘peace’ with Greece while at the same time eyeing Greek territory, no gap in logic or honesty between wanting to join the EU and continuing the occupation of Cyprus. Turks are, more than anything, obtuse, incapable of empathy, and Greeks have no alternative other to remain suspicious and cynical of their neighbour's intentions.

5 comments:

Hermes said...

It is interesting that during Erdogan's there were two anti-Turkish protest marches: one organised by Karabelias's Ardin-Rixi which gathered around 1000 people; and another organised by right wing forces numbering around 600 people. Videos can be found at youtube.

However, when Americans come to town, all hell breaks loose. We have a looooong way to go before the situation begins improving.

lastgreek said...

Ἰχθὺς ἐκ τῆς κεφαλῆς ὄζειν ἄρχεται.

Most shit emanates from America, H.

John Akritas said...

Papandreou is a wishful thinker – which is why Greece is destined to sink further into the economic and social morass. This 'rapprochement' between Greece and Turkey is not going anywhere and sooner or later, Greece is going to have to abandon this policy of trying to tame Turkey and solve Cyprus/the Aegean/Halki/Thrace by dangling the EU carrot before the Turks. Papandreou says he wants Turkey to 'follow some simple rules' – by which he means abide by international law – but when has Turkey ever done this and its not likely to start soon either.

Revoturk said...

You are subjective, unrealistic and is the only person in this debate who is incapable of empathy. If we're so obtuse why do we try to reason with you? Obtuse people just do things and not negotiate. Then you speak about "rational" fears of Greeks, that they are right to be afraid of Turkey, about the sovereignty of her (Ellada) lands. You contradict yourself or you live in an imaginary world. What reason do we have to attack you? Why would we co-sign for financial support with the non-EU states creating geographical business stimulation, where Greece can benefit from. Why would I accept to give you money (knowing that I won't be getting it back & not expecting it either) if I hate you? Does that make sense to you? When we are improving, seeing Greece fall does not make us happy. We want strong neighbors who we can rise together with. I'm not even going to talk about Cyprus, if you know your history well, then you will know why we got involved in Cyprus. When they start cutting your kin, and those who are responsible for the well being of their citizens just sit and watch, someone has to pick up that responsibility and act. Put aside your pride and look through misty glass. When you see the facts is the day you'll start writing about them.

John Akritas said...

I'd suggest to you not to believe in the myths and propaganda put out by your state and which you have just regurgitated. I judge Turkey by what it does, not what it says; and on this basis it is obvious to me that Turkey is an aggressive and dangerous neighbour for Greece. And the fact that you believe that Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus to save the Turkish Cypriots confirms my view that Turkey will say anything – and Turks will believe anything – to justify its belligerence and brutality.